Posts Tagged ‘Worlds in Collision’

Looking In & Out, Up & Down, Heaven and Hell

December 6, 2012

In my studies, I have dealt at length with the mythologies of the gods from cultures all over the world and they seem to fall into two categories: the gods in the heavens (the planets) and the gods on the planet (“earth spirits”).

The gods in the heavens are the usual: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and so forth. Some include Uranus, which can be seen with the naked eye even today (if you’re well away from the cities’ light pollution and you know where to look).

The gods on the planet include rulers of rivers, oceans, mountains, crops, fertility, childbirth, harvest, and so forth, including forest spirits, guardians of the sailors, the hunters, et cetera.

In normal parlance, historians usually divide these two “religious” systems into two distinct types. Those who worshiped the gods above are said to have “complex” religions, and the others are said to have “pagan” religions. The complex ones are based – they claim – on abstract ideas of divine influences whereas the others are far too pragmatic to delve into the abstract.

Another reason the complex religions are given “favored” status is that they were the ones who are believed to have evolved into the major religions of today. Pagan religions, assigning deification to physical objects and forces, could not delve into any deeper, abstract thoughts. Meaning, in other words, the pagan aspects were something we higher thinking mammals have thankfully moved away from.

I’m afraid to disillusion such historians. The “god in heaven” group was no more abstract thinkers than the “pagan” groups. Their concerns were just beyond the everyday while the others were more concerned with day-to-day matters. The latter figured if the gods in the heavens were battling it out, it was no concern of theirs. The up-lookers were guided by fear more than prophecy but they eventually saw the gods interfere with the affairs of Man. At which point, the gods above even interfered with the more pagan types.

What they both experienced during these encounters was far from abstract thought. See the writings of Velikovsky (Worlds in Collision and Earth in Upheaval specifically) to see descriptions of those encounters.

The upward gazers came to prominence because their gods suddenly had an influence “down here” and their power seemed to far override the paltry forces of all the earth spirits combined.

In some systems, the elements of both wound up combined. The number of gods in the heavens may have increased but the ones who were also the planets also stood out as the “major” players in the pantheon. Earth spirits and such were always “lesser lights” though several of these were assigned places in the sky as stars or constellations.

The view had shifted from the energies and powers of the planets and nature, to the unbridled passions of the planets when they run rampant through the signs, exhibiting their personalities and threatening to upset the wonderful balance that had been life on Earth.


Just a few rambling thoughts on the subject.


a Thought on the Earliest Long Count Record

March 15, 2010

Some historians hypothesize that the Long Count was completely finalized in the first century BC as that is the occurrence of the oldest known Long Count inscription (36 BC at Chiapa de Corzo). It could be that earlier inscriptions have simply not made it to our time (being on destructible materials) or that earlier stone representations have just not yet been found.

Either way, the 36 BC occurrence remains the oldest about which we know. So, why did the Maya date the beginning of their calendar so much further back, like 3100 years further back?

And did they keep record of the days and years since that time in the prototype of the Long Count or some other system until it was finalized? Or was it truly as John Major Jenkins hypothesized that they simply back-dated the calendar to a random starting point in the past?

It is difficult to do more than speculate on this question. One thing that would help is knowing why they started it on the date in question. What happened then that should have been monumental enough to give birth to a new calendar?

There are many theories about this issue. The usual definition given from the Mayan documents was that it was the “birth” of the planet Venus. Most historians today brush that aside, saying it was only the appearance of Venus as the morning star before the Sun rose. I cannot see that would be such a momentous thing since it happens quite often. And I have not seen anyone offer any proof that this was the case.

Immanuel Velikovsky theorized that Venus was born out of the planet Jupiter (see his Worlds in Collision for the particulars. Practically all the scientific community, however, stick to their belief that Venus is about the same age as Earth so there should have been no life to witness it’s “birth” from Jupiter or elsewhere.

But, if Velikovsky was correct in his timeline of the birth of Venus and the subsequent encounters of our planet with others, the last encounter would have been around 685BC. This might have allowed the orbits to stabilize and the Maya could have made any adjustments required to complete the various cycles in their calendars. They could then have finalized the Long Count. This may have taken a few centuries to completely nail it down.

Hence the earliest records of the first century BC. There may be even older ones, but if this timetable is correct, they may not be too much older.

But, time may prove me wrong.